tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2056051583786220639.post4605787371988443712..comments2023-06-14T08:03:14.211-04:00Comments on Tommy Mann : Kim Davis: Jailed for Her FaithTommy Mann Ministrieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11629684679268261608noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2056051583786220639.post-36619697723177611302015-09-08T15:13:53.858-04:002015-09-08T15:13:53.858-04:00I appreciate what you are saying, but I must disag...I appreciate what you are saying, but I must disagree. You say I don't actually want her to be able to refuse service based on her faith, but that is exactly what I want. I want that freedom to be afforded to people of all established faiths, be it Muslim, Jewish, or even atheist. I don't like the goat statue recently erected for the atheists, but I support their freedom to have the statue, and I believe the founders would as well.<br /><br />Many states are already making concessions for their clerks, no longer requiring their names to be on the dotted line, or else allowing other clerks and/or deputies to sign if one wishes not to. That is all Kim Davis is asking for. She will submit the proper paperwork, but she doesn't want to sign her name as an endorsement of something that is against her faith. She isn't a homophobic bigot who wants to ruin the happiness of a homosexual, she just wants to freedom to allow someone else to sign the paper. Resigning is not freedom; freedom is allowing an exemption for her centuries-old Christian faith. Tommy Mann Ministrieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11629684679268261608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2056051583786220639.post-61089102989981395212015-09-08T13:46:31.978-04:002015-09-08T13:46:31.978-04:00The problem herein lies that this country was foun...The problem herein lies that this country was founded on freedom and the idea of separation of church and state, granted it was originally to keep the state of the church as in Anglican England however those two concepts are at the cornerstone of this country. The problem was they did not want freedom for all, but freedom to practice their certain way. However over time true freedom to practice ideas opposite to the founders have emerged.<br /><br />You keep saying that she is jailed for her faith, she is not. She is jailed for civil contempt of court, she has the keys to her cell, she need only issue the license, per her job, or resign. <br /><br />You claim you want her to be able to refuse something based on her faith, but the truth is, like the founders, that really isn’t what you want. As my fellow Vala, Manwë, pointed out, if SCOTUS allowed her to refuse a right based on her convictions it would become precedent. This would allow an atheist to refuse service and or rights based on his/her convictions, a hindu to refuse service and or rights based on his/her convictions, etc. all because SCOTUS allowed Kim Davis to refuse service based on her religion. That is freedom. If one can, all can. <br /><br />Many people have tried to erroneously compare this to Judge Tonya Parker, in which she refused to perform “heterosexual” marriages until gays were allowed to wed. This is not the same. The courts are not required to perform marriages, but if they do they must perform them for all people entitled to be married. When she refused to perform those marriages, she was in fact simply refusing a service not required of her to all people that were eligible for that service. This is similar to how many of the courts are refusing to perform marriages in you state, even your county of Union. They are no longer offering to marry at all, because they must either provide to all or none. That is the core concept involved here, either all or none. Either all religions, including Christianity, can assert their convictions in the offices of the government, or none can. <br /><br />It is a sad thing that she sits in a cell for her convictions, but if she is allowed to do as she wished, that precedent would have far reaching and much more devastating results than we can imagine.<br /><br /><br />Ulmonoreply@blogger.com